posted 04-03-2008 07:53 PM            

I told you that based on my taking the bait with the April Fool's joke, and losing my standing on Anti (ie; Banned) because of it--- That I would Re-Double my efforts on the Grogan issue. Such progress is often in inches and not miles.

Today at lunch I received a phone call from one of my allies in the field, and have it on good authority that the State of Nevada licensing board will be giving Grogan / PEOA a Cease and Desist letter in regard to his NAPE / Nevada "Alliance" of Polygraph Examiners, as they feel it attracts people in Nevada who may want to become an Instant Examiner by buying the 40 pound box, into believing they can achieve Examiner status, when in reality they would clearly not qualify for a license.

I am hoping I can get an email copy of that order, and send it on to ALL of the other licensed States in hopes that they would do the same. Believe it or Not, I got the numbers / contacts of ALL of the licensing boards nationwide from Grogan's own website !!!

I will continue to fight on the Western front (California) with a take no prisoners attitude, and you folks have not heard the last of our / my battles yet. Believe it or not, my name in the old Irish language actually means "Victorious Patriot" and I'm earning that in this generation.

Best Regards and Carry On !!!

posted 04-04-2008 09:00 AM            

The irritating fact of Grogan in Utah is his advertising to Utah clients; then he trys to charge a Utah examiner a referral fee.

posted 04-04-2008 11:27 AM            

I've actually been considering that very thing. Of course finding the time to do that and do it well is another story, but I am considering it. As far as getting these to the press, that is not my area of expertise, but I would certainly work with anyone who does have some savvy in that area and would like to lead that charge.

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posted 04-04-2008 04:00 PM            

You folks are ALL right in that Grogan, Groganites, or PEOA is a Polygraph Community problem. The untrained clones he produces ONLY end up hurting the consumer first who believed they got a real test, and it cheats us in that we have invested in the education the consumer was originally shopping for.

It has been suggested to me earlier as well that what we need to do is creat a website which is ONLY factually based with legal historical precedent called something like JohnGroganInfo.com or PEOA_Info.com ; which would appear in the top three or so in a Google search. The consumer is then given the cure for Groganitus in that the light of day is shed upon him / them from which the consumer may draw a truthful informational conclusion.

In the past three cape meetings it has been out concern about licensing as to how it would be funded, who would be grandfathered in or out, and would Grogan / Groganites possibly sit on the licensing board itself, or even a poly hating liberal or Maschkeite. Such things are not necessarily controlled by the legitimate polygraph community alone. It may be the case that only someone with enough clout to get a politician in a bipartisan manner to draw up such a lic. board from within the community; with Pre-1989 precedent.

It seems to me that one of the clear things that need to be brought out in Ralph's piece about Grogan, Groganites, PEOA, Pseudo PEOA type State sites IS ---
What qualifies someone to be regarded as a legitimate polygraph examiner. While this is obvious to you and I, it needs to be in written form and would be the working definition from which such a licensing board existed at it's base.

posted 04-04-2008 04:45 PM            

Could one of your state agencies handle it regionally, to save money and spread out the administrative tasks? I would think the LE examiners would be willing to help, and they're probably in the best position to do it.

The tough part is start-up because you've got so many people practicing already, but why not treat all equally? Require a test like the APA's, and give people a year to take it. I would think you could charge an initial start-up based licensing fee to pay for most of what you'd need.

Couldn't the licensing commission, in large part, be a voluntary committee appointed by somebody (e.g., governor, public safety commissioner, etc), which would have to include a municipal examiner, a state examiner and a private examiner (or, the CAPE president, for example)? I would think the deck could be stacked in favor of doing the right thing - over licensing the likes of Grogan. With ASTM, I would think you could sell and require people to graduate from schools meeting those minimum requirements.

After the initial start-up, how many new CA examiners are there each year?

posted 04-04-2008 05:02 PM            

The Midwest Regional Polygraph association, although not a licensing body per se, is a megolithic organization started by a couple'a coppers---Mark James, a trooper from Indy, and a trooper from Michigan. We have a 1st class shindig every year, and we have many states, many speakers with malfunctioning powerpoint presentations, mailers, voting, and even a logo. Grassroots organizations cost less than grass, and once in motion are rooted.
http://www.midwestregionalpolygraph.org/

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Velveta----"it's not cheese, it's chedder jello"

p.s. Why can't someone get the California state patrol superintendent to license examiners? Fingerprints, polyschool certificate, background check plus $50 and you have yourself a "state license." Granted, it isn't even as rigorous as lifeguard certification, but it's a great strainor against groganism.

posted 04-04-2008 11:30 PM         

I have no doubt that you would jump into the fight if you could. Grogan will eventually cross the line in many states and here in California, we are on him.

In Florida, I will buy many drinks because I just got Stats Mastercard # !

posted 04-05-2008 09:03 AM            

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If any of you do not call for regular bathroom breaks, expect a dead moose in your hotel room later in the night.

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It'll be just like summer camp - a week of playing inspector Clueseau and Kato with stat.

Careful there or I'll teach your 3 kids how to play WWF-sumo-smack-down in the living room, and you'll not have any nice furniture for at least 15 years.

r

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